It’s this level of honesty that makes the Obamas even more iconic. Yes, they signify change in America. Yes, they were (and are) the coolest president–first lady duo we’ve ever seen. But more than anything, Barack and Michelle have always been real.

Michelle Obama was quite the multitaker on Wednesday’s episode of actor Sophia Bush’s podcast, “Work in Progress.” At one point in her interview with the “One Tree Hill” star, the former first lady did double-duty by addressing divorce rumorswhile also making a valid point about unfair expectations placed on women.

Former first lady Michelle Obama's television preferences differ pretty drastically from former President Barack Obama.